While Karen was in London for the UK RumFest, she had a chance to sit down with Susan Schwartz of Lush Life Podcast.

They cover the origins of Montanya, of course, but also share some stories that don’t make it into every interview, like Karen’s post-college days in San Francisco as a political organizer and then in Arizona as a hot shot fire fighter. They even discuss an early flirtation Karen and her husband, Montanya co-founder Brice, had with the idea of starting a brewery—just imagine Montanya Brewers!

You can listen to the full interview here, and find Karen’s recipes for the Hottanya and the Rum Sour.